MSD 84211 User Manual

T ech Bulletin

Rotor Phasing

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ROTOR PHASING

Rotor Phasing is deﬁned as the alignment between the rotor tip and the distributor cap terminal when the spark occurs. This position can be very important to your engine’s performance. If the alignment is incorrect, the spark will jump to the next closest terminal or another ground resulting in a misﬁre and loss of Power. On engines with extreme cylinder pressures, such as nitrous and supercharged applications, correct rotor phasing increases in importance. More voltage is required to ionize the plug gap and if the phasing is off, the spark is more apt to ﬁnd an easier path to ground rather than the correct cap terminal. This may result in severe engine damage.

Checking Rotor Phasing

To check rotor phasing, you’ll have to modify a distributor cap so you can observe the rotor tip with a timing light when the engine is running. Drill a large hole into a cap near a terminal that will allow you an easy view of the terminal (Figure 1). To help see the rotor tip you may want to mark it with white correction ﬂuid. With your modiﬁed cap installed, connect the timing light’s inductive lead to the corresponding plug wire. Start the engine and run at a steady speed. Shine the timing light in the modiﬁed cap and note the relation of the rotor tip and the terminal when the spark jumps (Figure 2).

Note: MSD recommends using a non-dial back timing

Figure 2 - Drill a hole in a cap to view the location of the rotor tip with one of the cap terminals.

No Vacuum Advance: The rotor tip should line up with the cap terminal or be on the leading edge of the terminal when the spark occurs (Figure 3). This ensures that the spark is jumping to the correct cylinder at the proper time.

Figure 1 - Examples of modiﬁed distributor caps.

light for best timing results.

DISTRIBUTOR

CAP TERMINAL

ROTOR TIP

ROTATION

Figure 3 - The rotor tip should align with the cap terminal when the spark occurs.

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Vacuum Advance: Vacuum advance affects rotor phasing so it should be checked with the vacuum disconnected and connected. On a distributor that turns clockwise, the rotor tip should be at the right or just after the terminal when the spark occurs with the vacuum disconnected and plugged. With the advance connected and the engine at a steady speed off idle, the rotor tip should be just to the left or before the terminal (Figure 4).

Note: On distributors that turn counterclockwise, these positions will be opposite.

Adjusting Rotor Phasing

Points and Magnetic Pickup Distributors

If the rotor phasing is off on your distributor, there are several options to adjust the phasing. The points plate or pickup needs to be moved or the cap can be repositioned. In most cases these are major modiﬁcations which is why MSD checks the phasing of every one of our Pro-Billet Distributors during the assembly process.

Figure 4 - Distributors with vacuum advance need to be checked with the vacuum connected and disconnected.

Crank Trigger Applications

In crank trigger applications, the distributor does not control the ignition timing so adjusting rotor phasing is easy. Simply rotate the distributor housing until the rotor tip is in the correct position.

Phasing and Electronic Timing Controls

When setting the phasing, you also need to take into consideration any timing controls or retard controls. If you are advancing or retarding the timing electronically, you are affecting rotor phasing. In most cases, the timing change will not be enough to affect the phasing, but there are applications to watch. One such application is with multiple stage nitrous systems and retard steps. High performance, nitrous engines undergo extreme increases in cylinder pressures which is why timing is generally removed with each stage of nitrous. If your applications pulls out a total of 16° it is important to take this into consideration when setting the phasing. If you remove 16° of timing, the rotor tip is going to be past the cap terminal when it ﬁres. On engines with extreme cylinder pressures and high rpm, this could easily cause a misﬁre or spark scatter which could result in sever engine damage. It is recommended to divide the total amount of retard and set the phasing at that point. For example, on an engine that pulls out 16° of timing, you should set the rotor phasing when the timing is 8° retarded (Figure 5). This way, with no retards activated the phasing will be 8° advanced, or just in front of the distributor cap terminal and when the full amount of retard is activated, the phasing will be just after the terminal (Clockwise distributors). Whenever checking the rotor phasing with an electronic timing control, it is important to check it with the retard activated and not activated.

Figure 5 - When using a timing retard, compensate the rotor phasing.

Cap-A-Dapts

If you have enough room to run a larger cap, you should take advantage of the real estate. A larger cap spaces the terminals farther apart so there is less chance of crossﬁre or spark scatter occurring. MSD offers a Cap-A-Dapt Kit, PN 8445, that replaces the points/socket style cap on most of our Pro-Billet Distributors. If you want to adjust the rotor phasing and use an MSD Pro-Billet Distributor with a magnetic pickup, we offer a Cap-ADapt with an adjustable rotor PN 8420. This rotor is two pieces and is made so the rotor tip position can be altered. A smaller adjustable rotor is now available as PN 84211 for use in place of rotor PN 8467.

Preventative Maintenance

Taking a little time between races to inspect your ignition system will help prevent minor problems. Periodically check the following:

Visually inspect the cap and rotor for wear of the cap terminals and the rotor tip.

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Look for traces of carbon tracks where spark scatter occurs.

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Visually inspect the plug wires for burns or tears. Also, it is a good idea to periodically check the resistance of the wires.

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MSD’s Spark Guard, PN 8804, is a dielectric grease that helps isolate the spark at the plug wire terminal and cap

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FRM31025 Revised 02/12 Printed in U.S.A.

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