11.1 Why do ID tones vary in different system configurations? ............................................... 79
11.2 How to duplicate a Group?.............................................................................................. 79
11.3 How to compare a calibrated and uncalibrated SAM system? ......................................... 80
11.4 How to calibrate SAM systems for different listening positions? ...................................... 80
11.5 Can analog and digital signal sources be mixed? ........................................................... 80
11.6 How to switch between analog and digital signal? .......................................................... 80
11.7 What does ISS mean? .................................................................................................... 81
11.8 Can I power up and shut down the SAM system with GLM? ........................................... 81
11.9 Why are my monitors not going to ISS state? ................................................................. 81
11.10 What is the “Not used in this setup” bin in the Layout page? ....................................... 82
11.11 How I replace a monitor with a new one? .................................................................... 82
11.12 How I edit the System Layout? .................................................................................... 82
11.13 Can I use 73xx subwoofers with non-SAM monitors? .................................................. 82
11.14 Can I use SAM monitors in 3D Immersive Audio Systems? ......................................... 84
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1 Introduction
Congratulations and thank-you for purchasing Genelec Smart Active Monitoring (SAMTM) systems.
This manual describes the setup, calibration and use of the SAM monitoring system with GLM
Genelec Loudspeaker Manager software.
Take a moment to familiarize yourself with the contents of this manual. While the use of the SAM
products and GLM software is intuitive, there are many possibilities and options, and we give
suggestions in this manual for different types of installations and application scenarios.
We are also ready to help you at any time. GLM software provides the link to Genelec, in the case
you have specific questions, or you need support. For support, first contact your local dealer.
Genelec sales network is well trained to help and support you. You can also contact Genelec
directly at support@genelec.com
Happy monitoring!
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2 Glossary
Abbreviation or term Explanation
12xx (xx is two numbers) Family of three-way SAM main monitors.
72xx Family of digital audio input SAM subwoofers.
73xx Family of analog and digital audio input SAM subwoofers.
82xx Family of two-way and three-way SAM monitors.
83xx Family of two-way and three-way SAM monitors with extended room
compensation capability.
9301 Multichannel AES/EBU Interface device for 73xx subwoofers. This device
creates up to 8 channels of AES/EBU input for the 73xx subwoofers.
Adapter (8300-416) Genelec Network Adapter.
GLM Adapter is a device interfacing the GLM Network to a computer USB port.
GLM Adapter acts also as a stand-alone volume control master and Genelec
measurement microphone interface.
Software described by this manual, for setup, automatic system calibration and
management of a Genelec SAM monitoring system.
GLM Network Genelec’s proprietary monitoring system management network, enabling
automatic system setup, calibration, and control.
Layout grid A hexagonal grid, on the GLM user interface, where monitor and subwoofer
icons are placed; creates automatically friendly names and, with digital audio
selected, assigns digital audio subframe settings automatically.
Group Collection of monitors and subwoofers playing at one time; each group has its
own settings, including the GLM AutoCal calibration.
Layout Graphically presents a number of monitors/subwoofers on the GLM network,
typically assigned such that it describes their physical locations.
SAM Smart Active Monitoring technology by Genelec.
SE7261 Genelec SAM subwoofer that acts as a centralized processing unit also for 8130
digital input monitors (non-SAM monitors by Genelec).
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Abbreviation or term Explanation
Stack Software window displaying the collection of icons for the yet unassigned
monitors. All monitors are initially in this stack. They are moved during the layout
creation onto the Layout Grid.
W371 Adaptive Woofer System, used with The Ones three-way coaxial monitors.
WooferCal Genelec automatic room response calibration method for the Adaptive Woofer
System.
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3 System Components
3.1 SAM Monitors
Smart Active Monitors (SAM) are supported on Genelec’s GLM management network. Genelec
has an extensive selection of SAM monitors, ranging from compact two-ways to large three-way
main monitors.
3.2 SAM Subwoofers
Smart active subwoofers are supported on Genelec’s GLM management network. Genelec has a
wide selection of subwoofers supporting multichannel analog inputs and multichannel digital audio
inputs, for all monitoring applications.
3.3 Adaptive Woofer System
The W371 Adaptive Woofer System is fully supported on Genelec’s GLM management network.
The adaptive woofer system supports analog and digital audio inputs and offers neutral bass
response also in acoustically challenging loudspeaker placements, for example for free-standing
placement.
3.4 Genelec Network Adapter
Genelec GLM Network Adapter (8300-416) connects SAM monitor systems to a USB interface in a
computer, operates as the audio interface for the measurement microphone, and as the master for
the stand-alone volume control function.
3.5 Genelec Loudspeaker Manager Software
Genelec Loudspeaker Manager (GLM) software enables monitoring system setup, automatic
acoustic calibration, and continuous management of all monitors and subwoofer in the control
room.
Download the GLM software at Genelec website, at www.genelec.com/glm.
For more details on the monitors and subwoofers, their installations and setting up the system, see
the section Getting Started.
NOTE: GLM software installation packages are updated regularly to include the latest
improvements in the calibration technology. To make sure that you have the newest methods and
measurement microphone correction data in use, use the Genelec Cloud based AutoCal
(preferable method) or, after you have received GLM Kit and after installing the GLM software,
download and install the Local AutoCal Package software. For more information, visit the
Genelec web site.
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4 Getting Started
To take full advantage of your Smart Active Monitoring (SAM) system it is important to become
familiar with all the components in the system.
To set up a monitoring system you will need monitors and subwoofers, audio signal cables, GLM
management network cables, GLM network adapter, GLM measurement microphone, and GLM 4
software.
To set up a Genelec SAM system,
check DIP switch controls of the SAM subwoofers and monitors. The ‘Stored’ switch,
if available, should be ON when to use the stored settings in the standalone use –
the stored settings come to force when the devices are re-powered up while the
‘Stored’ DIP is set to the right position
place SAM subwoofers and monitors in the monitoring room
run audio cables to the SAM subwoofers and monitors
run GLM network cables from the GLM adapter to all SAM subwoofers and monitors
download and install the GLM 4 software, www.genelec.com/glm
create a system setup using the GLM 4 software
4.1 Placing SAM monitors and subwoofers in the monitoring room
Try to place monitors and subwoofers in optimum locations in relation to surfaces reflecting audio.
Aim each SAM monitor towards the listening position. This becomes your System Layout.
1. Select the listening position so that distances from side walls (B) are equal.
2. Place monitors so that distances to the listening position are equal, and distances to the
monitors are equal from side walls (A).
3. Place a subwoofer at the front wall and a slightly left or right from the room centre axis.
4. Aim monitors towards the listening position.
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Figure 1. Place monitors symmetrically relative to the walls. Point the acoustical axes towards the
listening position.
4.2 Cabling for Audio Signals
Run all audio cables from the audio source to the monitors. When a subwoofer is used, run the
same signal to the monitor and the subwoofer. We recommend running the signal to the subwoofer
first. The subwoofer has output connectors to facilitate onward connection to the monitors.
Bass management means using a subwoofer to reproduce low frequencies for any or all of the
audio channels. Audio channels for monitors that are not bass managed can be run directly to the
monitors. They do not need to run to the subwoofer.
When you need both analog and digital audio cabling, it is possible to populate both analog and
digital inputs and outputs on SAM monitors and subwoofers. GLM allows the Group configuration
to select either the analog or digital audio. Note that the 8320 monitor features an analog input
only.
The most common audio cablings are introduced next.
4.2.1 Analog Stereo
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors.
connect audio cables from the audio source to the monitor ANALOG IN
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Figure 2. Analog stereo cabling.
4.2.2 Analog Stereo - Woofer System
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors.
connect a cable from the source (left channel) to the left woofer system ANALOG IN.
connect a cable from the left woofer system ANALOG THRU to the left monitor ANALOG
IN.
connect a cable from the source (right channel) to the right woofer system ANALOG IN.
connect a cable from the right woofer system ANALOG THRU to the right monitor ANALOG
IN
Figure 3. Analog stereo woofer system cabling.
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4.2.3 Analog Stereo with a Subwoofer
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers.
connect (Left) audio cable from the source to the subwoofer connector ANALOG IN 1.
connect a cable from subwoofer ANALOG OUT 1 to left monitor ANALOG IN.
connect (Right) audio cable from audio source to subwoofer ANALOG IN 2.
connect (Right) audio cable from Subwoofer ANALOG OUT 2 to right monitor ANALOG IN
Figure 4. Analog stereo cabling with a subwoofer
4.2.4 Analog 5.1 Surround
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers.
connect an audio cable from the audio source to the subwoofer ANALOG IN 1
continue from the subwoofer ANALOG OUT 1 to the monitor ANALOG IN
continue connecting all remaining audio input cables to the subwoofer inputs ANALOG IN 2
through to ANALOG IN 5, and from the respective analog outputs to the relevant monitors
finally, connect the LFE channel from the audio source to the subwoofer LFE IN
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Figure 5. An example of analog 5.1 system cabling
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4.2.5 Digital Audio, Stereo with a Subwoofer
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers. An example of the audio cabling
for AES/EBU digital audio is shown in Figure 6.
Connect the following XLR digital audio cables:
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer DIGITAL IN input connector
from the subwoofer DIGITAL OUT to the right monitor DIGITAL IN
from the right monitor DIGITAL OUT to left monitor DIGITAL IN
Figure 6. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio stereo cabling
4.2.6 Digital Stereo – Adaptive Woofer System
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors.
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the left woofer system DIGITAL IN input
connector
from the left woofer system DIGITAL THRU to the left monitor DIGITAL IN
from the left monitor DIGITAL THRU to the right woofer system DIGITAL IN
from the right woofer system DIGITAL THRU to the right monitor DIGITAL IN
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Figure 7. Digital stereo adaptive woofer system cabling.
4.2.7 Adaptive Woofer System in a multichannel setup
The adaptive woofer system can be used in any multichannel setup, but there are some
considerations. The adaptive woofer system only is intended to be used with one main monitor,
only.
Connect signals to an additional subwoofer(s) to utilize bass management and to reproduction the
LFE channel.
The full calibration of the adaptive woofer system is in three steps:
1. Run AutoCal for all the main monitors and subwoofer(s)– the woofer systems will not
reproduce any sound in this 1st procedure.
2. Run AutoPhase for the subwoofer(s) against a selected monitor – this monitor is not a
monitor connected to an adaptive woofer system. Typically, a subwoofer is phase aligned
with the Center channel monitor. When a second subwoofer is used for the overhead (toplayer) monitors, this subwoofer is paired with one of the overhead monitors.
3. The adaptive woofer system calibration WooferCal is done last. To calibrate, pair the
adaptive woofer system to a monitor, select the calibration mode and set the crossover
frequencies, and then click the ‘Start Calibration’ button to start calibration.
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4.2.8 Digital Audio 5.1 with a 7300 Series Subwoofer with 9301
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers. 7300 series subwoofers have
one (stereo) input for AES/EBU digital audio, and 9301 Multichannel AES/EBU Interface is needed
to expand the connectivity for AES/EBU to the subwoofer. An example of the audio cabling for
AES/EBU digital audio is shown in Figure 8. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio surround
cabling with 7300 series subwoofer and 9301.
Connect the following XLR digital audio cables:
Left/Right channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the 9301’s ‘AES IN 1’ connector
from the 9301’s ‘AES OUT 1’ to the right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Surround Left/Right channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the 9301’s ‘AES IN 2’ connector
from the 9301’s ‘AES OUT 2’ to the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to surround left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Center/LFE channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the 9301’s ‘AES IN 4’ connector
from the 9301’s ‘AES OUT 4’ to the center monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Sum signal
from the 9301’s ‘SUBWOOFER LINK’ output to the 7300 series subwoofer ‘DIGITAL IN’
connector
NOTE: The AES/EBU digital input mode in the 73xx subwoofer must be set in ‘Used with
9301’ mode in the Group page. See Digital Input chapter for more details.
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Figure 8. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio surround cabling with 7300 series subwoofer
and 9301.
4.2.9 Digital Audio 5.1 with 7200 Series Subwoofer
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers. An example of the audio cabling
for AES/EBU digital audio is shown in Figure 9. Any cable carrying the LFE channel can only be
connected to the subwoofer input 4.
Connect the following XLR digital audio cables:
Left/Right channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT1’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT1’ to the right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
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from the right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Surround Left/Right channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT 2’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT 2’ to the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to surround left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Center/LFE channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT 4’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT 4’ to the center monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
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Figure 9. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio surround cabling with 7200 Series subwoofer
4.2.10 Digital Audio, Stereo with a SE7261 Subwoofer
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers. An example of the audio cabling
for AES/EBU digital audio is shown in Figure 10. Note that the AES/EBU digital audio channels
reproduced have to be selected on each monitor. The figure below also shows the dip switches
position for the required A or B channel selection.
Connect the following XLR digital audio cables:
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT 1’ input
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT’ to the right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
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Select the following digital audio channels for the monitor:
on the left monitor turn ON digital audio channel A
on the right monitor turn ON digital audio channel B
Figure 10. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio stereo cabling with SE7261 and digital channel
selections for each monitor.
4.2.11 Digital Audio 5.1 with a SE7261 Subwoofer
Before cabling, turn off the power in all monitors and subwoofers. An example of the audio cabling
for AES/EBU digital audio is shown in Figure 11.
Connect the following XLR digital audio cables:
Left/Right channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT1’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT1’ to the right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Surround Left/Right channel pair
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from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT2’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT2’ to the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
from the surround right monitor ‘DIGITAL OUT’ to surround left monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Center/LFE channel pair
from the AES/EBU output of the audio source to the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL INPUT4’
connector
from the subwoofer ‘DIGITAL OUTPUT4’ to the center monitor ‘DIGITAL IN’
Select the following digital audio channels for the monitor
on the left monitor turn ON digital audio channel A
on the right monitor turn ON digital audio channel B
on the surround left monitor turn ON digital audio channel A
on the surround right monitor turn ON digital audio channel B
on the center monitor turn ON digital audio channel A
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Figure 11. An example of an AES/EBU digital audio surround cabling with SE7261 and digital
channel selections for each monitor.
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4.3 Cabling of the GLM Management network
The GLM management network cabling is very easy. Connect the GLM adapter (8300-416) to the
computer USB port using the supplied USB cable, avoid using an USB -hub if possible. Connect
the GLM adapter to all SAM monitors and subwoofers in daisy-chain fashion (Figure 12) using the
network cables supplied with each monitor and subwoofer. You can connect in any order. Just be
sure to connect all monitors and subwoofers.
Table 1. Connections on the GLM adapter (from left to right)
Connector Use
USB (type B) Connects the GLM adapter to a computer USB interface or USB power
supply (stand-alone volume control)
Volume (3.5 mm jack) Connection for Genelec volume controller
Microphone (3.5 mm jack) Connection for Genelec calibration microphone
GLM Net (RJ45) GLM management network connection
Terminator (RJ45) Return termination for the GLM management network from the last
monitor, in case of network cabling being greater than 100 meters.
Figure 12. Connections of GLM management network, measurement microphone, and computer
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4.4 Downloading and Installing GLM Software
The GLM software calibrates and controls Genelec SAM systems. The software can be
downloaded at www.genelec.com/glm.
Look for ‘GLM 4 install package’.
In order to download, you will be asked to give your email address and some contact information.
This is very useful as it enables Genelec to support you later. It is not possible to download the
package without a valid email address. You will receive a download link into your personal email.
You must have sufficient rights to install the software in your computer. Install the software
following the instruction given by the software during the installation process. We recommend you
install the software on the local hard drive. There is no need to make any special destination
folders, GLM creates these automatically.
Figure 13. GLM software download
GLM requires an Internet connection. The Internet connection is used for the GLM AutoCal
calculations in the Genelec Cloud. GLM AutoCal has been continually improving since its
introduction 2006 and using the Genelec Cloud service ensures you have always access to the
newest, most up-to-date algorithms and tools for calibrating your audio reproduction system.
Genelec Cloud is the default set in the GLM software, Genelec recommends using the Genelec
Cloud for AutoCal as this offers the most accurate calibration.
4.5 Downloading and Installing the local AutoCal calibration
If you are running a computer that never has an Internet connection, it is possible to install a local
calculation needed for GLM AutoCal system calibration. This should be avoided if possible as the
local calibration does not develop and improve automatically as does the standard Genelec Cloud
based GLM AutoCal calibration.
GLM must installed before installing the local AutoCal. The local AutoCal package does not work
without GLM.
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The GLM software calibrates and controls Genelec SAM systems. The software can be
downloaded at www.genelec.com/glm. Look for the ‘GLM local AutoCal install package’.
In order to download, you will be asked to give your email address and some contact information.
This is very useful as it enables Genelec to support you later. It is not possible to download the
package without a valid email address. You will receive a download link into your personal email.
You must have sufficient rights to install the software in your computer. Install the software
following the instruction given by the software during the installation process. We recommend you
install the software on the local hard drive. There is no need to make any special destination
folders, GLM creates these automatically.
Install the package using the defaults in the installation package. Do not modify the install directory
as this will prevent correct operation.
4.5.1 Updating the ‘Mic Serial’ microphone calibration data
The Local AutoCal needs a microphone calibration file for the most accurate calibration result. In
order to obtain the microphone calibration file for your microphone, take the following steps
enter the microphone serial number in the ‘Mic Serial’ field – normally this is automatically
correct as this has been factory-stored inside the GLM Adapter
ensure that the ‘Local AutoCal’ mode is selected
ensure that the computer is connected to the Internet for the next step
run AutoCal once by clicking on the ‘Start Calibration’ – for this have at least one SAM
monitor and the GLM measurement microphone connected to the GLM Adapter
This step accesses the microphone calibration in your computer. After having done this, you can
continue running Local AutoCal without an Internet connection.
If your computer cannot be connected to the Internet even temporarily, please contact Genelec
customer service (https://support.genelec.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) and ask for your GLM
measurement microphone calibration file for the Local installation of GLM. We will email the file to
you. Replace the field <your_username> with your actual user name.
Copy the microphone calibration file into this folder in the Mac OS computer:
After this you can run the Local AutoCal calibration without having a connection to the Internet.
Please note that when you are running the Local AutoCal there is no way for Genelec to offer you
updates to the software you are running, including the Local AutoCal calculation algorithms.
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4.5.2 Selecting the Local GLM AutoCal processing
When you enter the AutoCal calibration, look for the ‘Local AutoCal’ selection. Once the local
AutoCal Package has been installed, this option can be selected. Only select this option if the
computer cannot ever be connected to the Internet, even temporarily.
Once the Local AutoCal has been selected, continue creating the Layout normally.
4.6 Selecting the GLM theme and language
GLM offers a light theme and a dark theme. This is selected on the top menu item ‘Settings’.
GLM offers multiple GUI language options. This is selected on the top menu item ‘Settings’. These
include at the time of writing
English (default)
Chinese
Finnish
German
Japanese
Korean
Spanish
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5 Creating a System Layout and Calibrating a System
Before launching the GLM software after installation, stop or mute the audio source, ensure that all
monitors and subwoofers are connected to the GLM network and are powered on.
The steps to create a GLM System Setup with a system layout and calibration are
1. create a SAM monitoring system layout
2. define SAM monitoring group
3. run GLM AutoCal automatic calibration
4. run GLM AutoPhase automatic phase calibration for subwoofers (AutoPhase is only
available when a subwoofer is included in a group)
5. run GLM WooferCal automatic calibration for woofer system (WooferCal is only available
when an adaptive woofer system is included in a group)
For additional groups, repeat steps 2 - 5.
5.1 Creating a SAM Monitor Layout
To create a layout all monitors, subwoofers and woofer systems must be powered and GLM
network connections be made.
A layout defines your monitors and their locations in the room. An example in Figure 14 shows a
stereo system with a subwoofer.
A new system layout is created when the GLM user interface starts the first time. You can always
create a new layout by selecting the ‘File | New’ menu item.
When the creating a new layout, initially all monitors, subwoofers and woofer systems are stacked
in the ‘UnPlaced’ cell, on the left side of the page.
Select the large enough layout grid to place all your monitors. Use the ‘Layout Style’ to change
and select a placement template. If you do not find a template suiting your system, select a grid
size that has place for all monitors, subwoofers and woofer systems.
The ‘Reset Layout’ button clears the layout grid and sends all the monitors and subwoofers back
to the ‘UnPlaced’ cell. This allows you to do the placement again from the start.
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